Fan/Pro Interactions

digresssmlOriginally published October 25, 1996, in Comics Buyer’s Guide #1197

“That’s all I can stands ’cause I can’t stands no more.”

Popeye the Sailor

How much is one supposed to take? And, when one has taken as much as he thinks he should, how does one fire back and to what degree? And where does the demarcation between fans and pros lie, and is there one, and should there be one?

Harlan Ellison’s noted “Xenogenesis” essays about the abominations perpetrated on pros by fans certainly documented some of the most extreme cases. And I myself was witness to one professional, assaulted by a fan in an elevator who was “miming” strangling the pro with the kind of demented ferocity that seemed to remove all aspects of it being a “game.”

But those are all extreme cases, and they occur at conventions.

Conventions used to be the sole venue at which fans and pros interacted. At a convention, everything is very controlled, almost to the point of ritualization.

Pros sit behind tables, fans come up with comic books to be signed, often expressing praise for the pro. There may or may not be panels, but it’s rare that someone in the audience stands up and starts mouthing off at one of the panel members because there’s something daunting about facing the immediate groans and waves of hostility one has to deal with from the audience in the room. The general sense of, “God, why are you doing this? Just shut up already.”

I was even told by one comics pro that there should always be a “curtain” between the fans and pros—not a physical one: a figurative curtain that the pros stand behind and the fans never get behind. A distance, as it were.

And this was easy to maintain when fan/pro interaction was limited to conventions. But the electronic age has brought the entire world closer. It’s hardly limited to comics; major movie stars talk it up with fans on live computer chats.

But as it’s been pointed out: How do you know it’s really them? One could probably make a tidy sum in Hollywood renting oneself out as an online computer personality. You’ve heard of celebrity lookalikes? These would be Cyberlebrity lookalikes: indistinguishable from the real items, quick on their feet with a thorough bio of their clients at their fingertips. Definite possibilities for a nice little business, particularly for those actors who are not particularly facile and would—left to their own devices—answer most questions with, “Yes,” “No,” or “I dunno.”

Television brought celebrities into our homes and gave us familiarity or an illusion thereof. But computers have brought celebrities even closer, right into our desks and even into our thought process. Computers and cyberspace have become the great leveler, on par only with death when it comes to equality and accessibility for all. We’ve reached a point where no one needs to be perceived as “above” or “separate” from anyone else. That would seem, on the face of it, to be a good thing.

Yet, at the same time, we have a double standard.

As noted earlier, at conventions there is the palpable pressure from others for obnoxious individuals to “sit down and shut up already.” That can be a pretty formidable thing in an “in person” venue. But in the security of cyberspace, no one can be “made” to do anything. So if someone wants to be obnoxious, he can rant and rave, insult and demean and attack, “flame” as much as his little heart desires.

This is, of course, the American way. Freedom of speech and all that. Although nothing, not even freedom of speech, is unlimited.

The question is, if you’re a pro: What do you do about it when someone goes after you?

Because although the playing field is ostensibly level, the fact is that it’s not level at all. Professionals in the industry, while regarded as a resource and a pleasure to have by some, are considered nuisances or—even worse—targets by others. But while fans can attack full bore, the professional is expected to hold back. To show restraint. To take the high road.

This expectation is even held by those who do the insulting. I remember one flamethrower who was incredibly toxic, obnoxious and insulting, not just to me but to everyone. He was belligerent, vituperative, and blithely libelous in his comments. Consequently, a movement began among the computer community to get in touch with those overseeing his access point to the net and get him thrown off.

And I, who had been one of his most frequent targets, received groveling email from him asking me to intercede. To plead his case, beg indulgence for him, ask the net community to back off so that he could continue to use the facilities that he had so maliciously and ruthlessly abused.

I’d like to tell you that I stepped in and saved his hash in the spirit of free speech. But as far as I was concerned, this wasn’t government intervention or out-of-the-blue persecution. This was a guy who had sought to achieve notoriety by setting himself up as a flamethrowing personality, and was now seeing the consequences of that decision. Or, as I put it to him (quoting Super Chicken), “Fred, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.”

Then there was the guy who tried to challenge me to a debate. Having had my fill of people maneuvering me into public forums in order to get publicity for themselves, I ignored him. This tactic infuriated him and his pals. In addition to manufacturing letter-writing campaigns that were laughably, obviously bogus (multiple letters written in the same hand, carrying an assortment of false names and mailed from a variety of fake addresses in envelopes all carrying the same handwriting), he and his associates pled their case in newspapers, on radio, and—naturally—on computer boards.

I refused to bother with him, and after a year—a year—of harassment, he finally went away.

So I took the high road, as one would expect. Take two gold stars out of petty cash.

Another time, however, a guy on a computer net started attacking a friend of mine, one who doesn’t frequent nets. I’m far quicker to anger over matters concerning friends than myself, particularly when they’re not there to defend themselves, and I rounded on the critic. By net standards, what I said was incredibly mild. Probably didn’t even qualify as a flame. Wouldn’t have even merited comment if a fan had said it. But because I said it, it caused an entire brouhaha.

Then there was the fan who was angry because I didn’t attack him. He had posted a harsh review of one of my Star Trek novels. I very rarely reply to any reviews because I don’t want to have any sort of chilling effect on commentary of my work. Usually I’ll only post an observation if there’s some sort of outright misstatement of fact. And this guy’s review didn’t have anything particularly wrong in it; he just didn’t like the book.

But when I didn’t endeavor to make any sort of reply or rebuttal, he was outraged and posted a scathing notice declaring that obviously I didn’t give a dámņ what anyone said because I hadn’t defended my book against his diatribe. What’s there to defend? Either you like it or you don’t. But as far as this guy was concerned, I was the scum of the earth because I hadn’t climbed down from the high road and slugged it out with him, passionately defending my work against all comers—a practice that, if I did it, would result in fans commenting, “Boy, that Peter David sure can’t handle criticism. Pros should really take the high road.”

The question is: Why are pros expected to take the high road? Particularly when taking the high road means that you are simply presenting yourself as a nice clear target so that those on the low road can hurl stuff up at you?

Frankly, I don’t know.

Because, at core, all a comics pro is is someone who gets paid for his work by a publisher. That’s the only reasonably applied, broad-based definition. And even that is somewhat less defined when one factors in self-publishing. The line keeps being relocated.

Make no mistake: I firmly believe that being a pro, however one defines it, carries certain responsibilities. One has an obligation to the fans to behave with decorum and politeness. I have little patience for those who have little patience with the fans.

But how much patience is one to have with those who have little patience with pros?

Many fans raise pros to a level above themselves and then feel that they can tear down those pros with impunity. But they become outraged when pros refuse to submit to it, and yet also outraged when pros endure whatever harshness is hurled at them.

To paraphrase Shakespeare: Hath not a Pro eyes? Hath not a pro hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? If you prìçk us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you flame us, do we not burn? And if you tee us off, shall we not seek revenge?

It is a fannish conceit that pros should have to take whatever is dished out and bear it with quiet, equanimity, and stoicism. There are, in fact, some pros who are capable of this. There are others who are not.

And when other fans step in in defense of assailed pros, they are immediately accused of being brown-nosers or bûŧŧ-kìššërš. As if stepping in simply because one disagrees with what’s being said is an impossibility; there must be deeper motives than that, apparently because the motives behind trying to tear someone down are inherently superior to the motives behind trying to build someone up.

(Which cuts across all walks of life, I suppose. People gather to watch and marvel at a factory fire. How often do people gather to marvel at a factory under construction?)

Not that this practice is limited to fans, of course. Pros feud among themselves. Except for me, of course; my affability is legendary and I have no enemies anywhere within the industry.

And yet, fan reaction even to those feuds is often out of proportion. People have disagreements, and whether those people are both fans or both professionals, in point of fact there is nothing inherently more or less worthy of commentary in either situation. If people are arguing and they’re paid to clean sewers, or people are arguing and they’re paid to write or draw comics, what difference does it make? Indeed, the former argument might have more merit to it.

Where does one draw the line? Should pros get down and dirty, mix it up with the fans at any provocation? Should pros sail above it all, remote and distant, despite the technology that serves to bring people closer to one another? Do people really want that proximity—or do they find it unnerving and unmanageable? Some fans complain about the presence of pros on computer nets because they feel that fans must therefore act with some measure of decorum and restraint. But aren’t these attributes to which they should aspire whether pros are there or not?

Why is only the threat of retaliation by the injured party a reason for civil treatment? And why, when there is retaliation, are fans so outraged and surprised? That’s what they were expecting, wasn’t it?

Let me emphasize one point: As is always the case when discussing something like this, I’ve been speaking in generalities. Most fans are civil and sane. Most fans don’t act out of belligerence. Most fans can even have a disagreement with pros and do so in a calm, rational manner. It is the few, the proud, the angry and belligerent, who poison the well for the others.

All I’m saying is that, as the electronic community draws everyone closer and closer, and as everyone and his brother has their very own website, the line continues to be blurred. And I’m not entirely certain that’s a bad thing.

But I’m not entirely certain that it’s a good thing, either.

(Peter David, writer of stuff, can be written to at Second Age, Inc., P.O. Box 239, Bayport, NY 11705.)

 

17 comments on “Fan/Pro Interactions

  1. I could comment on this, but I’m going keep it neutral. I know my demons. And I haven’t been a perfect fan here. I really, really want to become a pro one day. Alas, I want it so bad that it makes my dark streak come out on bad days.

    1. Ruben, I hear you.
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      I try to take pride in how I comport myself, both as a fan, and as a Wikipedian who covers book signings and conventions for Wikipedia articles on comics creators, but I have to admit that I’ve allowed impatience on my part to compromise my otherwise normal respectful behavior. When I was covering the 2008 NY Comic Con, the first time I had covered a large con, I was on line at Darwyn Cooke’s table. I just wanted a photo of him, so I could then leave to continue looking for other creators to photograph. But after I while, I interrupted his exchange with one of the fans in front of me, by saying, “Excuse me, Mr. Cooke, I’m sorry to interrupt….”, and before I could continue, he interjected (with a completely flat expression that belied how he felt about my interruption):
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      “No, you’re not.”
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      I was completely flustered, and tried to apologize, realizing how I came across to him. While there are some creators who are willing to pose really quickly for a photo if they’re in the middle of doing something like making a sketch (Amanda Conner was nice enough to do so once for me), others may not, and may regard such an act as rude. I didn’t intend to be, but this is how he saw it, and when I tried to apologize, he was convinced I was not being sincere, which left me all the more mortified. He agreed nonetheless to pose for me when he was good and ready (it’s the pic currently in his article, and you can tell by his expression that his exasperation had yet to fully subside.), but I wish I could’ve conveyed to him that I was sincere in my apology, because I can imagine the sort of poor fan behavior he’s witnessed that may possibly have contributed in part to his reaction. I wish I could meet him again, in order to explain this to him, and perhaps to ask him to pose again for a photo that would far better compliment his Wikipedia article than the one that is somewhat marred by my poor judgment.
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      The following year, at the 2009 Big Apple Con, I was at Joe Madureira’s table. He was takling to some fans, and I wanted to take a quick pic so I could rush over to another part of the convention building where Joe Quesada and Jim Lee were doing a panel discussion, so that I could photograph the two of them. Rather than interrupt, I tried taking pics of Madureira as he was talking to his fans, hoping he would eventually turn to look in my direction for a good shot. I don’t know why I was so clueless that I didn’t realize this until long added the one photo in which he did so to his album, but from his facial expression in the pic, I think he was annoyed at the number of times I used the flash so close. (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10.17.09JoeMadureiraByLuigiNovi.jpg) I’ve since learned how to reduce the flash on my camera by two settings, and when I saw him at the 2010 Big Apple Con, I apologized to him, explaining that I think I must’ve annoyed him, but he waved it off, as he didn’t seem to remember. He also agreed to pose for a shot with a nicer expression, which is now the one in his article.
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      In general, I’ve always made it a point now to be extra polite to my subjects, though the two above incidents have illustrated to me that if I’m capable of forgetting how important it is not to slip up on this. If there’s a line, and another table or event I have to get to, I might ask the creator’s rep, if there is one nearby, if I can he or she can pose for a quick photo, and if that’s not possible, then I make a judgment call to either wait in line, or leave. Hey, I’m not perfect, but I’m capable of admitting and learning from my mistakes, and out of the hundreds of notables I’ve photographed over the past five years for WP, these are the exceptions. Most notables tend to agree to let me take a photo, and if they decline, I always respect their wishes, and I’ll only take candid shots if I notice that others are casually doing the same, and the subject does not appear to mind. I just wish that some of the fans who have exhibited the behavior related by Peter, Neil Gaiman, Ellison, et al., could act like this.

      1. Those are minor infractions and the fact that you are still mortified by them speaks to them not being typical of how you carry yourself.

        Some of the people on the internet would be classified as sociopaths if they acted in real life as they do in cyberspace.

    2. Your candor is actually quite refreshing. There have been people on certain websites who will attack pros relentlessly, viciously, unendingly, and only belatedly (and even reluctantly) admit that they are wannabes.

      Indeed, I think a considerable portion of the vituperation that pros encounter stems from fans who flat out believe that they are far more talented and are simply jealous.

      PAD

      1. I would be lying if I said I didn’t have flares of jealousy myself…As for talent, I think you should never say that you are talented. The only writer I know who said that was Harry Mulish and his books were over-the-top rubbish IMHO.

        As for how am I feeling right now. Anton Chekhov once said. “Medicine is my lawful wife ,and literature is my mistress.” Well, I have a wife (aka day job) and I want a divorce from a wife, who thinks that just because the social part of my brain isn’t working the way it should, my IQ is by default also low. The problem is, the is still paying my bills and she is refusing to sign the papers.

  2. While I think the Internet is inherently neutral, it does seem to have exacerbated the sense of entitlement fans (often unjustly) feel. Before, many fans felt that buying a comic book made the creator their personal servant, obligated to respond to every comment and to suffer every abuse from the fan. With the advent of online discussions (and even greater anonyminity), many of the worst fans feel that same entitlement without buying anything. (“What do you mean I should buy a book instead of just looking at the scanned pages? I’m a fan *and* I’m online! That entitles me to get it for free *and* have the writer & artist listen to everything I have to say. Also, anyone who disagrees with me is like Hitler.”) I fear that Penny Arcade’s “John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Dickwad Theory” (normal person + anonyminity + audience = total dickwad) is in full swing.

    As for creators, they have to decide if they’re willing to suffer this sort of abuse in exchange for making themselves available online. Some creators simply shut themselves off from fans, while others venture forth while knowing what they’re in for. I suppose it’s very similar to what famous folks deal with in terms of papparazzi (sic?): It shouldn’t be part of the job, yet they should be prepared for it if they’re going to be realistic.

    1. While I’ve always been a believer in the Greater Internet Dickward Theory, as I’ve said here several times before, anonymity need no longer be a part of the equation.
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      People are more than happy to put their real name and photo (ala Facebook) to comments and still be dìçkhëádš.

  3. Does anyone know where I can read or rent/buy a copy of “Xenogenesis” essay as a standalone, without having to purchase an entire collection?

      1. $3.99!!!????

        Great, now this guy thinks I’m Bill Gates.

        Some people are just \i{out of touch}……

  4. Strange that i would remember reading this article in it’s original (English publication) form, only after seeing the Super Chicken reference.

    I’m not sure what this says about the way my memory works, but it sure says it clearly.

    Yep.

  5. Looking back on this now, it seems quite prophetic: I’m sure that several celebrity Twitter accounts are actually ghost-written, and I’ve seen a few fake accounts.

    As for the general topic, I think that the pro has more to lose (in terms of reputation), so there may be a pragmatic reason for showing restraint.

  6. Fortunately, the first fan/pro website I ever particpated on was author Michael Moorcock’s Miscellany site and it was a great community. MM really set the tone and there was really no typical forum jackassery.

    I’ve since joined Byrne’s forum. Like him or loathe him, he really tolerates very little nonsense there. My really only issue is that is that the tone is so serious there most of the time. It is a solemn place for solemn discussion. I’m probably a bit to flip for them.

    DC boards. Man, that place has gotten to the be the Wild West of internet opinions. Despite the intervention of a certain comic veteran on some threads, the discourse is so low there that it is hardly worth the time to visit.

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